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Re: A Short History of Robert Menard

from QuatloosShill on 04/19/2015 06:42 AM

Regardless of whether or not Menard had good intentions he is guilty of major failures. He has tried his concepts personally and, since 2006 (with the Robert Christy litigation), has known those ideas are not accepted by the courts.

He never shared that failure, though, and instead has hidden it.

Menard has since preached the same routine, even though he knows it is false, or at a minimum, it doesn't work.

This is a problem. There is nothing wrong with attempting things and seeing what is or is not correct. The Detaxers were actually very good about that - they shared their litigation efforts, particularly the group around Watson and Lindsay. They freely exchanged transcripts and court documents to try to understand what did and did not work. They maintained a very extensive clearing house for information here; 

http://lists.topica.com/lists/Important

where they candidly exchanged ideas and tactics without getting into personal squabbles.
With a few exceptions the Freeman community has been the opposite.

If Menard wants to be useful, then he could start by putting out the fires he has started and which he has ignored. If he is truly a responsible, well-minded individual then he will start acknowledging that what he has taught has been wrong.

You may see Rob sooner than you expect. With the (assumed) collapse of his ACCP scheme there is no longer any need for him to hang around back east and he may head west again. One rumour places him in Winnipeg.

A Short History of Robert Menard

from QuatloosShill on 04/18/2015 07:34 AM

Ninja also asked me to do something on Robert Arthur Menard. Unlike Jeffery with his Santos history I won't be giving the "full story" for three reasons;

1 - A comprehensive story on Menard would be book length, he's been a leading Freeman figure for a long time.

2 - I'm not all that familiar with his early years. I started following him a few years back.

3 - He's tried everything. AFV, 96 Is Your Fix, Freeman Valley, Notice of Understanding and Claim of Right, the Common Law International Right to Travel. Opting out of laws by denying consent to be governed, private police forces, the whole Freeman gamut.

But I'll relate where he is now and more or less how he got there. As a general statement Menard was, for a long time, one of Canada's leading Freemen. He has had great influence on the Freeman movement leading the way in a lot of areas. However he has gone into a serious decine of influence because of all his past failures and is currently hiding out from an arrest warrant.

A large part of his initial success was picking up on the use of You Tube videos and being able to give public presentations to fairly large audiences. Back in 2008 he was relatively slim, active, dynamic, an impressive speaker;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4o3afM11w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5cvEOpcSK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYhlasKrfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2j2rMj-QPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gGaFo7u50g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAVmGROLrpE

He proposed a whole menu of Freeman remedies in this series, none new to him, but well presented. As late as 2010 he still looked ok and had a lucid, dynamic speaking style;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnnI5eZnXYk

However the years wore heavily on him and by two years ago he was starting to look terrible with a presentation style to match;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqMUW134lo

Everything he's promoted, everything he's tried, has failed. Without exception. One idea which gained some traction was Freedom Valley, a paradise where the Freemen could run their own society away from the interference of corrupting laws and courts. This is how Rob himself explained it. In his grandiose dreams Freeman Valley was but a part of a greater plan. From thinkfreeforums.org;

The purpose of this thread is to inform and invite and not to debate the merits of the plan or the need for a society. If it is not your cup of tea, then simply refrain from commenting or opining and refrain from spitting in something that others do want. If the idea of having to pay fees to be a member of a society does not appeal to you then simply do not join. If the concept of needing resources to accomplish a plan is offensive to you then feel free to show how things can be bought without anything to exchange. If you feel that you should have an equal say in how this thing is started (not run) then I invite you to do so by formulating your own plan and then we can compare yours to mine and see where there are similarities and potential problems. Also recognize there are those who do not want to see this happen and will seek to undermine it all the while trying to sound like they support the idea of freedom. The fact is however, we need 1000 people to make it happen, and if they all want an equal say, it will never happen. This will be one of the first weapons those who seek to derail will use. Even though they have not created the plan, or one of their own, they will claim that because they do not have a say in some aspect that it is a dictatorship and thus they will try to create division using those tools.

Once the society is up and running then it will be governed democratically in much the same way as existing professional associations are. Until then however, although input will be sought and hoped for, the path I have defined will not be open to debate. How we take the steps on that path will be.

This is a Five Step Plan and will be revealed in full publicly when the accompanying movie and paperwork are completed.

Step One: (Actually Step #2 – you will see what I mean when I release the movie)

Phase One

Establish the Framework for a Global Society of Freemen

One Thousand people from across Canada will be required to set up this society for the millions who will join.

There will be a fee of $240/year to join.

The first thousand people will also have to bring $1000 each, totaling $1M in order to establish a strong and effective society. This can be in the form of Promissory Notes or cash, with the latter preferred, and a limit on how many can use the former. Simple truth is I have a plan and am confident of its success, but resources are needed and unless the people who want a change are willing to ante up, there will not be a change.

A full and complete Business Plan and Strategy will be available to those interested in joining. Those who have in the past denigrated the idea of a society of Freemen are not invited to join or to even comment, as I will be keeping an eye out for those whose only intent is to derail this society at its inception.

Members will eventually enjoy all the following:

Identification Cards – This will be the proof which rests on them.

Notary Public- We will have our own Notary Publics to witness the NUI and COR process.

Education – The Freeman Society Canada will provide educational and support services on line and through regular meetings.

Laissez Passer – Just like a Passport, except for Freemen who are traveling without intent to engage in commerce in the host country.

Support – A 1 800 number with recording and witness and legal support available 24/7

Banking – Working with experts in the field, we will set up a bank and credit union for the safe and secure storage and use of individual wealth.

Freeman Traveler and PACLIP – This is the Blue Plate Traveler with a system of identification using our own numbers and plates joined with PACLIP "Private Automobile Collision Liability Insurance Program"

Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers [C3PO] – We will be engaging our own Peace Officers drawn from our own members and from existing peace officers.

De Jure Courts – We will convene our own courts within which all are equal and charges may be confidently brought against existing courts and their agents and officers and within which the criminal code is enforced against them and disputes between us may be judicially settled.

Freeman Valley – We will be claiming and seizing a valley within which those who desire can join a working and stable community. This will act as an example for others in all commonwealth countries can emulate.

All of these will be established and created and run by the first 1000 members after they form into groups for those purposes.

PhaseTwo

This involves co-ordinating internationally with other groups in order to establish a global society of Freemen with various national chapters, securing acceptance of the various documents and securing the security of our persons as a group.

If you are interested in joining this movement send an email to [email protected]//

and express the following.

1.Name and contact information.

2.Your abilities and assets. (Administration, Public Relations, Editing the Society News Letter, operating our Gazette, maintaining an on line presence and forum, opening the Freeman School, teaching, support, construction, raising awareness and capital, operating our cafes, etc)

3.What aspect of the plan you would like to be a part of.

4.Whether you can bring funds or only a Promissory Note.

5.If you want to be a part of the Valley.

6.Whether you are willing to be a Peace Officer.

7.Anything else you think is pertinent.

Happy New Year!

Rob

A lot of Menard's major themes are here;

Notary Public - We will have our own Notary Publics to witness the NUI and COR process.

Freeman Traveler and PACLIP – This is the Blue Plate Traveler with a system of identification using our own numbers and plates joined with PACLIP "Private Automobile Collision Liability Insurance Program"

Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers [C3PO] – We will be engaging our own Peace Officers drawn from our own members and from existing peace officers.

De Jure Courts – We will convene our own courts within which all are equal and charges may be confidently brought against existing courts and their agents and officers and within which the criminal code is enforced against them and disputes between us may be judicially settled.

Freeman Valley – We will be claiming and seizing a valley within which those who desire can join a working and stable community. This will act as an example for others in all commonwealth countries can emulate.

It was, as will be related later in this posting, the C3PO that came back to bite Rob in the ass but, when it was riding high, the idea even had its own website;

http://www.c3po.ca/

As an incidental note the website is now owned by a Quatloosian who acquired it after Rob abandoned it.

The problem with this plan, as with all of Menard's projects, was the execution. He was great on ideas but didn't have the drive or resolution to pursue them in the face of having to make an effort. He has never, to my knowledge, held gainful employment apart from some rumors about a stint in the army. As far as I can tell he's led a very marginal life for the past few year. His only significant income in the last decade (apart from possible speakers fees) was from an inheritance from his father which now seems to be gone.

Possibly Menard's greatest video hit was "Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception";

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eabYMa0Ht40

Billed as;

Divergentfilms & Elizabeth Anne Elaine Society

http://www.divergentfilms.com

Robert-Arthur:Menard

gives a seminar on The Illusion of the Person, what Words in Law mean,

Consent, Acceptance, Honor & Dishonour, Bills of Exchange, and more!

Highly relavent information about just how The Powers That Be govern over us, and what we can do about.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6e_1343429200

Note the Elizabeth Anne Elaine Society in the above credits. His early formative moment seems to have been apparently fathering a child by an underage girl and having both removed from his life in 2000 or 2001. He wrote this about the experience;

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/elizabeth/

Elizabeth Anne Elaine was the name of his child. This story was covered, at least to some extent, in Quatloos;

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9578&p=162087&hilit=+Elizabeth+Anne+Elaine+Society+#p162087

One venture he seemed to put some effort into but which ended up as a significant failure was his attempt at a scam whereby you could get stuff free by carrying your own Freeman free money credit card. He called this the Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers. Don't bother clicking on the consumerpurchasers website links below. The website, like all of Menard's dreams, is dead.

I'll quote an April 2013 entry on Quatloos to explain it;

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=9326#p157575

However, the entire 'consumer purchase' thing hits big time last year when Robert-Arthur: Menard begins to aggressively promote the concept, and specifically launches this website:

The Association of Canadian Consumer Purchases (ACCP): http://consumerpurchasers.ca/

Menard explains that the Bills of Exchange Act and the Bank of Canada Act, when combined, allow one to make purchases and pay for them with the mechanism reported by wserra: see http://consumerpurchasers.ca/?page_id=269

But rather than you go through the trouble of actually doing that, Menard will himself do the heavy lifting, and implement the 'consumer purchase' scheme for you. All you have to do is pay him a certain sum of cash, and he will issue you a kind of debit-card like thing which will have much more value than your initial processing fee. With your 'Menard-Card' you can't just buy anything though, only certain 'necessaries': http://consumerpurchasers.ca/?page_id=35 Definitely no video games.

Oh, and it's super-good for artists: http://consumerpurchasers.ca/?page_id=273

This concept and website appear in 2012. According to persons posting in long-standing JREF forum thread on Menard, the woman who actually had set up the ACCP website for Menard, and who was administering the scheme was contacted by forum members. She then realized this was no more than a scam, and bailed. The result is the ACCP website has remained static since that time.

However, Menard is a persistent individual, and has once more returned to this concept in the last couple months. He is now promoting what he calls "ACCP Phase 2" on his Facebook webpage (http://www.facebook.com/robert.menard.52) and Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers user group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/457133764361174/).

$100, and you're in!

Menard's promotional hook is explained on his Facebook page. He claims to have gone to a Vancouver restaurant, ordered and eaten a meal, then attempted to pay by writing Consumer Purchase on his bill. The police are called and Menard is arrested. However, after a first court appearance (where Menard invokes the power of his magic common law peace officer badge), the charges are subsequently stayed. And Menard has a letter from the Crown to prove it: http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 7039_o.jpg

Naturally, Menard announces that this result means that the Consumer Purchase scheme works, the authorities are afraid to allow a trial so that the result will be generally known, and that this stay is, in fact, a legal precedent.

And now yesterday he posts this:

So excited! Big meeting on Tuesday with Van City Credit Union concerning the Consumer Purchase Association! Happy thoughts, well wishes and prayers gleefully accepted!

My prediction is that Menard will gladly take those $100 sign-up fees, but somehow the Menard Cards will never be delivered.

SMS Möwe

However this fizzled out when people helping him realized it was just a scam.

The one he was really big on promoting, the one his heart really seemed to be in, was the Canadian Common Corps Of Peace Officers, his private peace officer's force commonly known as C3PO. He claimed that anyone could start a peace officer force that had the same legal status as regular police forces. He envisioned Freemen across Canada organizing their own quasi-police forces as a counter-point to the real police forces and using them to enforce their own common laws court laws. He actually persuaded people, to their cost, that this was actually legitimate. Here in Vancouver David Lange, David Smith, Alexander Ream, and Andrew Simpson all went around for a while pretending to be peace officers and flashing their C3PO badges until they were arrested, charged with personating peace officers, and convicted. The whole story is here;

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9388

Menard promptly threw them under the bus by essentially claiming it was their own fault for not paying attention to him and doing it right.

Up to this point Rob's only real brushes with the law had been trying to scam a restaurant meal with his own payment note and being convicted of riding Skytrain without a ticket as part of his right to travel campaign. Trivial stuff. Then he made the classic mistake of believing his own propaganda. In the summer of 2014 in Toronto the car he was a passenger in was stopped by the police for a traffic violation. Rob flashed his C3PO badge around and claimed he was a peace officer just like the police at the scene. For whatever reason he was not arrested and he was sent on his way which induced him to make two major errors;

1 - He did a number of videos bragging about how he'd gotten away with claming to be a peace officer. Note that using his C3PO badge was not even necessary. He was just the passenger and had committed no offense.

2 - He told the police he was a peace officer in a few more incidents over the summer.

So in September 2014 they charged him. And he kept it very quiet and didn't tell anyone. The first public information on this came out in when I revealed the charges on Quatloos in January 2015. I'd not commented much about Menard in Quatloos to this point but I had gotten interested because he'd filed something to do with a legal action at the Federal court of Canada but he was very cagey what it was about. He showed a glimpse of the Statement of Claim on his Facebook page but no details. So I got a copy from the court registry;

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ieai8etgakhbkum/Menard%20-%20FC%20Statement%20of%20Claim.pdf

The lawsuit was nonsense, a demand that the Federal Court of Canada make an order that the C3PO forces were legitimate peace officers. Dead on arrival but it got me wondering why he'd done it. It seemed to be his idea of a defense to the Toronto charges, a declaration of proof from the court that he really was a peace officer. It was tossed out without a hearing.

On March 12th I posted a copies of some Toronto court documents regarding Menard;

http://www.mediafire.com/view/93ijcfb1a6ekpi3/Menard%20-%20OCJ%20personation%20file.pdf

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10492&start=280#p185324

These showed that he was facing four separate charges of personating a peace officer as a result of three different incidents. He was on the run after an arrest warrant was issued because of his failure to show up for his court hearings. And that, up to now, is where the story remains on his charges. Still outstanding but Menard still in hiding.

One further thing. He tried, probably in a desperate attempt to get some cash, to revive the ACCP. He tried to keep it secret by allowing only a super-secret list of suckers to participate but one of them broke the news on the Tender For Law Facebook page and we picked up on it. I reported on it here in early February;

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10492&start=100#p183888

Since Menard was on the run he couldn't put the same care and attention to it that he would if he had a fixed locale and the scheme seems to have collapsed.

So Menard is now almost totally discredited, broke, and on the run from criminal charges. Ironically the same charges the Vancouver Freemen were convicted under after following Menard's C3PO bluster. Something of a fitting end for our great Guru.

An Invitation to K1W1!

from QuatloosShill on 04/17/2015 05:46 AM

As you'll note from my avatar I'm Burnaby49 from Quatloos. K1W1 and I have sparred indirectly on a few topics, mostly the doomed COMER lawsuit and Menard's various follies. Indirectly because, until now, I've only posted on Quatloos and K1W1 has been posting on davidicke.com. So I've responded to his comments posted on davidicke via Quatloos postings. At best an awkward business. However K1W1 and I now share the same website so if he wants to argue I'm here and available. So feel free to pick a topic. Same goes for reverendjim.